Oh the joys of Christmas presents… I gave a shiny new 24″ widescreen TFT to my wife, to replace that shabby and flickering 15″ CRT that drove me mad after working on it for ten minutes. That entailed some other hardware upgrades: a new graphics card (the old GeForce FX 5200 did not even do 1600×1200, let alone the 1920×1200 that the monitor supports), and thus while I was at it, I plugged that into my AMD64 box and put that under her desk instead of the Celeron 1.3 which has come of some age.
I had to change the harddisk layout for that, in the old box the main disk was secondary slave, and now primary master. But “hey”, I thought, “we live in the 21st century!”. As expected, Ubuntu just booted as if nothing had happened, thanks to UUIDs, etc. After some wrestling with “makeactive”, I at least saw the WinXP text boot menu as well, but then it just broke with a blue screen saying “STOP code 0×74 blabla … revert all changes to disk controllers and new hard disks”. Huh? Clear 1:0 for the penguin here.
Googling didn’t help, so I remembered the old recipe of reinstalling. In theory (and screenshots and recipes out there), the Windows XP installer CD has a “reinstall” mode which wouldn’t overwrite already installed programs and data. If only it would actually offer this to me… *sigh*
Following some advice of a friend of mine, who is more XP literate than me (that doesn’t say much, though, I don’t know anything about this beast), I moved the hard disk into the old computer again to try it there. Just to learn that it now didn’t detect any hard disk at all. However, this time it was only a mediate Windows fault, I simply managed to kill the hard disk after all the replumbing of masters, slaves, IDE buses, and moving around to the other computer. Bummer. Murphy’s Law for the win! (And my fresh backup for the win, too!)
At least that now obsoleted the question of how to reinstall Windows without data loss. So I just went ahead and reinstalled both. Actual Windows installation is easy, but then I just got an utterly slow 1600×1200 vesa mode. But HARHAR, I’ve got a driver CD to that graphics card! And three reboots and 200 MB of software installation later (yes, it includes/needs .NET 2.0) later I got an amazing .. erm, 640×480 with 16(!) colors…
It took me 4 hours, various driver downloads, and lots of googling until I found a “hotfix” for the driver they shipped with the graphics card (!!!).
After that I installed Ubuntu. The live CD just worked, and the ati driver flawlessly ran with 1920×1200. Installation and restoring the /home backup was a matter of 30 minutes. A clear 2:0 for the Tux side.
Gosh, that was horrible, and wasted my entire day. Commentary of a friend of mine: “Now you’ll be much more convincing when explaining why Ubuntu is better!”
#1 by Jimmy on 2008/12/29 - 19:41
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Ubuntu is great, but please stop comparing it to Windows.
For now Windows works on a far greater number of computers than Ubuntu does. No matter if that is the fault of hardware manufacturers or not.
So please stop bashing Windows and concentrate your efforts on making a better Ubuntu (especially on the multimedia side of things).
I get so sick of this bashing.
#2 by mike wyatt on 2008/12/29 - 19:49
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so you’re comparing something released two months ago to something released /seven years and two months/ ago?
nice
#3 by ethana2 on 2008/12/29 - 20:10
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I installed XP on my sister’s laptop– first it copied all the files over, then it rebooted, then it installed, then it rebooted, then it was 640×480 with no fn+keys, no multimedia keys, no wireless, no 3d, etc.
Then I installed Ubuntu and Everything Just Worked.
#4 by nvidia on 2008/12/29 - 20:17
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The GeForce FX series all supports that resolution…
#5 by Andrea Colangelo on 2008/12/29 - 20:54
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Days ago I buyed an HP printer to my girlfriend, to be used on a dual boot machine.
Procedure to install it on XP:
1- insert the cd;
2- run the installer;
3- wait;
4- choose to not install a lot of crapware;
5- wait;
6- plug in the printer when asked;
7- wait;
8- the installer freezes;
9- close and reboot;
10- uninstall the half-installed driver and HP software;
11- reboot;
12- repeat steps from 2 to 7;
13- reboot;
13- print!
Procedure to install on Intrepid:
1- plug in the printer;
2- print!
Intrepid vs. XP: 3:0
#6 by rawsausage on 2008/12/29 - 22:15
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Very “fair” to compare a 2001 released operating system that is couple months from the final EOL (longer supported time than what the LTS Ubuntus have by the way) with a brand new competitor that is only couple months old…
#7 by Torsten Giebl on 2008/12/29 - 23:35
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Welcome to the World of Windows
#8 by martinpitt on 2008/12/30 - 00:07
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No, it doesn’t. Of course I actually *tried* it. It was flickering like mad at 1600×1200, and a higher resolution wasn’t available.
#9 by martinpitt on 2008/12/30 - 00:11
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> Very “fair” to compare a 2001 released operating system that is couple months from the final EOL (longer supported time than what the LTS Ubuntus have by the way) with a brand new competitor that is only couple months old…
I never said it was a fair comparison.
It was meant to be half of a rant and half of a joke (the “2:0″ bit). However, it’s the latest Windows which actually runs on that computer, and I’m still mad at this driver CD which came with the new ATi Radeon HD 2600, which totally screwed up.
Also, I already shuffled hard disks that way seven years ago. Back then it was a matter of changing /etc/fstab and the lilo configuration, so even though that was far from “obvious”, the situation was recoverable in two minutes.
#10 by Warren on 2008/12/30 - 01:21
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Martin,
I have had very similar experiences. I run Win XP daily on my work laptop and one of my home PCs. I also have a Ubuntu PC at home.
Recent (i.e. new) hardware that I have purchased (not even advertised as Linux-supported) that has installed and worked extremely easily under Ubuntu includes HP multi-function (not only the printing, but also the scanning) and a webcam.
The basic story is repeated each time: Windows requires additional software/drivers that take 20min to install, while it is literally plug-and-play with Ubuntu. Of course, there will be exceptions to this, but this has been my experience too.
Regards
Warren
#11 by Emmanuel on 2008/12/30 - 12:04
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Wait, let me get this straight. You tried to move the Windows hard disk from the old computer to the new one? I read your post several times, and I wasn’t sure it that was the case.
If so, you should have reinstalled Windows. Windows only has the drivers for the old box and it knows only the old box. Trying to move disks around like that is a very, very bad idea.
Windows XP and Vista are actually pretty good and reliable operating systems. Unfortunately, it can be pretty delicate at times.
It’s a good thing it worked out for you though!
Hope your wife enjoys the monitor. That’s a HUGE upgrade.
#12 by ikkefc3 on 2008/12/30 - 12:04
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Windows XP Service pack 3 isn’t 7 years old!
Does your ATi card work fine on Ubuntu?
Because the last time I tried ATi (on ATi x1250, x1550 and HD 2400 pro) it did run a bit slow compared to nVidia.
#13 by martinpitt on 2008/12/30 - 16:42
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> Wait, let me get this straight. You tried to move the Windows hard disk from the old computer to the new one?
Yes. I do that all the time with Debian/Ubuntu boxes, and since, as I said, I’m a bloody beginner with Windows, I naively attempted that as well.
> If so, you should have reinstalled Windows.
I learned that the hard way, and that’s what I had to do eventually.
> Windows only has the drivers for the old box and it knows only the old box. Trying to move disks around like that is a very, very bad idea.
So I noticed.
However, I hoped that the XP install CD’s repair mode (http://www.chip-link.de.vu/REPARATUR.html, second screen) would actually work, which it didn’t for unknown reasons.
#14 by martinpitt on 2008/12/30 - 16:45
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> Windows XP Service pack 3 isn’t 7 years old!
Indeed my laptop came with SP2, bought roughly one year ago. But nevertheless I understand that the underlying architecture certainly didn’t change. However, a friend of mine told me that Windows was using something similar to UUIDs, and thus should cope with a mere master/slave reorganization.
> Does your ATi card work fine on Ubuntu? Because the last time I tried ATi (on ATi x1250, x1550 and HD 2400 pro) it did run a bit slow compared to nVidia.
It’s a HD 2600 AGP, running at 1920×1200. It works fine with both the free and the fglrx driver, but I didn’t really do any benchmarks. Desktop runs smoothly, compiz works well with fglrx, video playback works, that’s all I really care about.
#15 by Peteris Krisjanis on 2008/12/31 - 17:53
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rawsausage: Sorry, but it is only MS fault, that only working OS system (sorry, Vista IS a joke, as support guy I confirm it with my expierence again and again) is THAT old. And even we take Vista into account – it is hard to get it in working condition without myriad of drivers and changing settings. And let’s not talk about seriously screwed up configuration gui.
Anyway, it’s entertaining to read such posts, because they mirror my real expierence – while not all hardware maybe is supported by Ubuntu, that part who are (and it is majority) works mostly out of box. And that beats Windows down, like it or not.
Such stories also inspire to improve Ubuntu even more, with bug reports and active local testing and QA.
#16 by Navjot on 2009/02/11 - 21:26
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Yes ,thats true for me also, all my hardware fully supported in Ubuntu out of the box and in vista i have to install aprox….. 7 drivers for just my Sony Ericsson K750i to work.
Windows Vista and XP ==>Crap,blah,crap,blah,crap………………………and so on
Ubuntu=========>Hey Hey Hey Hey , nothing to worry about driver!!!!!!!!! Let give me some hip hop .
” One vote from me to Ubuntu ” and ” One Slap to Windows “